(9:58:05 AM) keys2kingdom: I know you might be busy atm but here's the completed list of evolved Stater Pokesonas:
(9:58:12 AM) keys2kingdom: Izanagi > Izanagi-no-Okami (Mega Aggron
Seiten Tensai > Xuanzang (Infernape based
Yunlungr > Kohryu (Mega Rayquaza based
Pyro Jack > Scathach (Gardevoir based
Take-Mikazuchi > Odin (Marowak based
Titan > Atlas (Regigigas based
Camazotz > Seth (Giratina based
Jiraiya > Mananan (Siesmitoad based
Cu Sith > Cerberus (Mega Houndoom based
Matador > Hell Biker (Bisharp based
Arahibaki > Alilat (Beheeyum based
Hua Po > Kaguya (Floreges based
Decabria > Mata (Heatran-based
Toukubei > Rangda (Gliscor based
Orpheus > Messiah (Clefable based
Yatagaratsu > Horus (Talonflame based
(9:58:26 AM) keys2kingdom: PM me with your comments at your leisure
(9:59:09 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Oh?
(9:59:25 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Is this being used for something?
(9:59:52 AM) keys2kingdom: Didn't I mention how te starters reappear to assist the group?
(10:00:08 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Oh, I don't think so
(10:00:15 AM) keys2kingdom: Oh
(10:01:14 AM) keys2kingdom: Well in Part 2 the Guardians are actually going to be Genre Savvy and just powerful over all
(10:02:20 AM) keys2kingdom: The Starters will reappear during certain fights when the guardians have totally stacked the decks against the groups
(10:03:06 AM) keys2kingdom: These evolved forms are extremely powerful Personas within the series
(10:03:59 AM) keys2kingdom: But they really don't actually fight in battles under the control of players.
(10:05:31 AM) keys2kingdom: I'd like to hear any thoughts you had on what I chose etc.
(10:05:49 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Ah
I think my only concern is when you say based... do you mean like that's the base form or like, say, Seth is a Noivern that takes inspiration from Giratina
(10:06:43 AM) keys2kingdom: Have you seen Seth?
(10:07:14 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Just did
(10:09:08 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Though I'm generally of the opinion of 'if Pokesonae evolve, it should be to something sharing the same form, since that's how the main group's ones work'
(10:11:01 AM) keys2kingdom: The thing is the groups Personas are the odd ones out in that regard
(10:11:33 AM) keys2kingdom: When Personas get stronger it's through Fusion
(10:11:49 AM) keys2kingdom: *When most Personas
(10:12:32 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Yeah, Fusion's weird, but could you call it Fusion rather than Evolution, then?
(10:13:15 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: *I know Fusion is how it usually happens
(10:14:06 AM) keys2kingdom: Technically I was going to refer to these forms as "Advanced Forms" in-universe.
(10:14:32 AM) keys2kingdom: this is so we don't have to go into Fusion IRP
(10:14:47 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: It did kind of happen with Daisoujou already, though
(10:14:49 AM) keys2kingdom: At least for this plot
(10:14:58 AM) keys2kingdom: No...
(10:15:12 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Didn't Titania and Oberon fuse?
(10:15:18 AM) keys2kingdom: That was Daisoujou killing them
(10:16:00 AM) keys2kingdom: With a Light or Almighty skill
(10:16:08 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Ah
(10:19:31 AM) ***waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow would rather stick with evolvution or make it explicit that these are fusions, still
(10:20:39 AM) keys2kingdom: They are explictly going to be the same starters just in different and exceeding powerful forms
(10:21:20 AM) keys2kingdom: This was the part where Types, abilities, etc had no restrictions
(10:22:36 AM) keys2kingdom: Xuanzang is going to be a Psychic Delta Infernape
(10:23:27 AM) keys2kingdom: Seth is Dark/Dargon rather than Ghost Dragon
(10:24:22 AM) keys2kingdom: There are other examples
(10:25:47 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Fair enough, but I mean this more from the sense of 'This may make sense in the universe we're borrowing it from, but in a Pokemon sense, if you have a Noibat turn into a Dark/Dragon Giratina, you should probably be clear how it happened'
(10:26:36 AM) keys2kingdom: Well it's not going to look exactly like a true Giratina
(10:27:17 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: If it's anything that isn't a Noivern, I mean
(10:27:28 AM) keys2kingdom: Oh
(10:28:57 AM) keys2kingdom: Well I considered Noivern but nothing high-leveled had a design that could be easily swapped out for a bat
(10:29:58 AM) keys2kingdom: Seth was what I came up with but the neck was way too long
(10:30:50 AM) keys2kingdom: So I opted to swap out for a Delta Giratina rather than a Noivern
(10:31:56 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Er, I meant more 'I don't think we should gloss over a mechanic that's at odds with how things normally work in Pokemon'
(10:32:33 AM) keys2kingdom: Regigigas as Atlas was just something that had to be done because the former is based on the later and Atlas' design is similar to Titan's
(10:33:09 AM) keys2kingdom: That's the thing we can gloss over it here.
(10:33:31 AM) keys2kingdom: the group isn't getting into fusions themselves
(10:34:12 AM) keys2kingdom: And the only fusion we've seen is Norn
(10:34:37 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Oh, duh
(10:36:03 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Though, yeah, that was a flub on my part not explaining it. I do think I should offer one since I've done it
(10:37:25 AM) keys2kingdom: Well it already implied that Demons are "Wild Personas". Demons can combined to form new, stronger demons.
(10:38:05 AM) keys2kingdom: So it can be implied that Personas and Pokesonas can do this as well
(10:40:02 AM) keys2kingdom: Strict lower to higher stages isn't the rule in the CU, it's the exception
(10:40:31 AM) keys2kingdom: *Strictly changing from lower to higher stages
(10:40:50 AM) keys2kingdom: Another example of this Kaiwain
(10:40:52 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Yeah, the thing is now that it's clear that's the rule, I'd rather it be stated as such
(10:41:08 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: In some way, even offhand
(10:41:25 AM) keys2kingdom: http://megamitensei.wikia.com/wiki/Kaiwan
(10:41:53 AM) keys2kingdom: the thing practically screams Starmie/Mr. ime fusion
(10:42:37 AM) keys2kingdom: Yet Kaiwan is consistantly atleast 30 levels below Decabria
(10:43:15 AM) keys2kingdom: who, if you recall, is a Staryu-based Pokesona
(10:44:38 AM) keys2kingdom: But if you need an offhanded reference...
(10:45:07 AM) keys2kingdom: If anyone asks the starters are so different...
(10:45:17 AM) keys2kingdom: "Remember Norn?"
(10:45:22 AM) keys2kingdom: "Yeah."
(10:45:33 AM) keys2kingdom: "Same principal."
(10:47:57 AM) keys2kingdom: *ask the Starters why they are so different
(10:48:12 AM) keys2kingdom: *asks the Starters why they are so different
(10:48:17 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Okay, that would work, but thinking about this is making me feel like we've got a bunch of unanswered questions about the nature of these things that, as they exist in the Pokemon world which makes me not sure how to write for stuff
(10:48:53 AM) keys2kingdom: The CU works on Mindscape-esque rules.
(10:49:13 AM) keys2kingdom: i.e. all normal rules go out the window
(10:50:05 AM) keys2kingdom: Or in another way, normal logic doesn't apply
(10:51:05 AM) keys2kingdom: In fact there is VERY little logic when it comes to metaphysical stuff
(10:51:11 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: I mean more in the sense of Shadows/Demons. Since I think we're unclear on how... I guess 'sapient' they are
(10:51:48 AM) keys2kingdom: Oh
(10:51:59 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Or to what extent they're their own beings and what extent they're part of a psyche
(10:52:06 AM) keys2kingdom: Well older =/= more sapient
(10:53:05 AM) keys2kingdom: And it's basically most Minor shadows are just "junk thoughts" unless stated otherwise
(10:54:19 AM) keys2kingdom: Demons them selves come into being in the CU via tthe principals of Gods Need Prayer Badly and Clap Your Hands If You Believe
(10:55:14 AM) keys2kingdom: So they are beliefs and superstions given a definite form.
(10:56:33 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: I find it funny you phrase it that way, but I'll probably be coy about why until after Lisa's dungeon
(10:57:04 AM) keys2kingdom: And to ask you a question that might help "Do you think any mortal can kill a belief permanently?"
(10:57:58 AM) keys2kingdom: So Demons can't really be Killed Off For Real by any of the group
(10:59:24 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Noted. Fainting does make more sense in most Pokemon battles anyway
(10:59:58 AM) keys2kingdom: but they still vanish like they were dying at the moment.
(11:00:58 AM) keys2kingdom: these things at least have "a will to live"
(11:02:04 AM) keys2kingdom: but since they can be truly killed, just broken down into their base "stuff" which has to reform
(11:02:43 AM) keys2kingdom: *since they can't be truly killed by the group, just broken down
(11:03:47 AM) keys2kingdom: Think of as "fainting with a garuntee that you'll wake up, but that means you could wake up after centuries".
(11:04:50 AM) keys2kingdom: SMT is full of this gray area stuff
(11:06:53 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Ah
(11:08:02 AM) keys2kingdom: This can, has, and will fuel philosophical debates
(11:09:31 AM) keys2kingdom: So sometimes it's just better not to ask too many questions because sometimes asking too much ruins enjoyment
(11:12:22 AM) ***waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow will ask if it impacts his writing, generally, but noted. Though, he is kind of fond of overanalysis at times, so
(11:15:11 AM) keys2kingdom: Bellasario's Maxim!
(11:15:54 AM) keys2kingdom: And Measuring The Marigolds
(11:21:59 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Eh, I'll respect that on your end, but as a general rule, I dislike those tropes because it feels like I've gotten called on tropes like those before when some parties are still having fun with it
(11:22:31 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Or at least, I don't like them being used as a general 'overanalysis is bad' thing
(11:23:18 AM) keys2kingdom: Here I'm envoking Belasario Maxim, becase Like Belasario, I haven't fully fleshed out every detail of the CU
(11:23:59 AM) keys2kingdom: I only did enough to make everything work IRP.
(11:25:15 AM) keys2kingdom: Because I never expected this to actually cause a surge of popularity for another arc like this one.
(11:25:38 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Fair enough
(11:26:46 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Personally, I guess I lean toward 'you don't need to have all the answers, but if the question comes up, you should figure out how to answer it' with my stuff
(11:28:10 AM) keys2kingdom: I can't say anything that won't sound like an insult to some degree
(11:28:56 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Sorry, I meant that more as my philosophy on stuff. Didn't mean to rude it wordly
(11:29:08 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: *on how I prefer to approach my stuff
(11:29:18 AM) keys2kingdom: Ah
(11:30:43 AM) keys2kingdom: I was reading it more as "I ask for a lot of little details, so you need to ready to know how to answer anything".
(11:31:38 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Oh, no, didn't mean it like that.
(11:34:30 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: It wouldn't be fair of someone to expect someone to answer absolutely anything about stuff on the spot, especially since, as much as I like details, I sometimes have troubles coming up with them on my end.
(11:35:53 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: And I'm vaguer myself at times too
(11:36:34 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: But, yeah, honestly that statement should apply to me more than anything
(11:36:53 AM) keys2kingdom: I mean I planned an decided a lot of stuff, but I'd never thought I'd have to explain Fusion
(11:37:35 AM) keys2kingdom: because they group wouldn't actually do it themselves
(11:38:19 AM) keys2kingdom: they might see it happen, but not trigger it directly etc
(11:39:11 AM) keys2kingdom: So I left fusion literally "some things combine to make stronger things".
(11:42:50 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Wait, did it get phrased like that in universe and I just forgot? ^_^;
I guess pretty much all I wanted was, if it comes up, a clear explanation that 'this is a natural part of the world' rather than a detailed explanation on what you need toy get what and the fusion forecast and whatever
(11:43:49 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: *natural part of the world and possibly more common than evolution
(11:43:57 AM) keys2kingdom: Fusion NEVER gets explained proplery beyound fuse two or more Personas to make a stronger one.
(11:45:43 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: Yeah, wasn't asking you to do that
At most I'd ask how a fusion chain ended up going to try and add characteristics from the persona that fused with each other if I were writing for any of the Starter Persona appearing later
(11:46:39 AM) waapt-rp@salon.tropi.us/Honchcrow: But that's more my headcanon on SMT series fusions than anything